Interest rates on savings and certificates of deposit are at highs we haven’t seen in decades.
Just the other day, I saw a CD that yielded over 7% from a small credit union in Michigan. No tricky conditions to satisfy, just deposit cash into a 7-month CD (it had a maximum deposit of $7,000) and collect over 7% APY for your trouble (if you qualified).
These “sky high” (ok ok, relatively speaking) interest rates sound almost too good to be true, and a few years ago, when the Federal Reserve set target interest rates at 0.00%, they were too good to be true. The only accounts offering 8 and 9% rates were scammy cryptocurrency websites.
But with the target rate so high, getting 5% from a savings account and 6% from a CD isn’t a red flag. It’s normal. (it’s criminal that brick-and-mortar banks can get away with paying nothing in interest)
When I saw a fintech company called Save offering “market returns” on a “savings account,” I had to dig deeper. To me, “market returns” means S&P 500 market returns… something that comes with significant risk. Savings accounts are the opposite of risky, they’re completely safe.
Is Save legit?
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What is JoinSave?
Save, also known as Save Advisers LLC, is a fintech company that partners with Webster Bank (FDIC #18221) to offer a savings account that claims to earn an APY that’s higher than market rates for typical savings accounts. As I’ll explain below, they do this by pairing your savings with an investment account.
Save was founded by Michael Nelskyla, a former Managing Director at UBS, Goldman Sachs, and several other large banks; and is based out of Houston, Texas.
Save Advisers is technically an advisory service, and so they’re registered with the Securities and Exchange Commission (CRD # 306053/SEC#:801-118060). If you go to the Investor.gov website, you can see all their filings, such as their Form ADV and ADV Part 2s.
The document that gives you a good understanding of their approach is their Relationship Summary, Form CRS.
They call themselves Save, but the website is JoinSave.com.
How Does Save Work?
When you open an account, called a Market Savings account, your funds are deposited into a non-interest-bearing account at Webster Bank. You’re also opening an investment account at Apex Clearing (they are a well-known clearinghouse, and your funds are SIPC insured).
Your money will forever sit in that account at Webster Bank, 100% safe.
Then, you will select a portfolio for your investments in that Apex Clearing account. That investment will mature in either 1-year or 5-years, which you chose upfront. The 1-year term has a minimum deposit amount of $1,000 and the 5-year term has a minimum deposit amount of $5,000.
As of this writing, the rates being estimated are 8.96% APY for a 1-year term and 9.06% APY for a 5-year term.
After the term ends, you get your deposit back and gains (if any) minus fees. You can withdraw your money early, but you may have to surrender any gains. It’s a little like a CD in this regard.
Where it’s not like a CD is that the income is not ordinary income. Since your returns are generated in an investment account at Apex Clearing, it’s considered capital gains.
It’s important to note that the interest rates shown above are estimates. This is not a CD where the rate is guaranteed. The only guarantee is that you will not lose money.
What is the Early Withdrawal “Penalty?”
If you need to withdraw your money early, you might have to surrender your gains. There is no penalty in the sense that you could lose money. The amount you surrender is based on the Federal Funds Rate, the duration of the account (1 or 5 years), and the number of days left.
This is the table from their Form CRS:
If I’m understanding the chart correctly, the basic gist is that you take the Federal Funds Rate, add a premium based on how long the term was, and then the fee is calculated based on how much was left.
If you had a 1-year term and withdrew it at 6 months, you’d have to give back 50% of the Federal Funds Rate plus 50 basis points. If the Federal Funds Rate is 5.00%, then you’d give back half of 5.50% which is 2.25% of your deposit.
If you don’t have enough gains to cover it, presumably, you just get your money back and they collect all the gains.
What Are The Investment Options?
Save offers five different named portfolios, four of which are available now (the descriptions are from their website):
- Save Global Diversified Markets Portfolios – “The Global Diversified Markets portfolios utilize a sophisticated rules-based investment approach that captures returns across a wide range of asset classes and regions, seeking to maximize the consistency of returns.” (There are three versions of this portfolio)
- Save ESG Portfolio – “The ESG portfolio utilizes the same investment techniques as the Save Global Diversified Markets portfolios and maintains a similar global multi-asset class approach, while utilizing ESG-focused ETFs where possible and avoiding certain assets.”
- Save Global Multi-Strategy Portfolio – “The Global Multi-Strategy portfolio seeks to generate returns across market regimes by combining 6 sub-strategies, built using a cutting-edge quantitative approach that exploits how financial markets respond to themes and patterns, or ‘narratives’.”
- Save US Macro Portfolio (Coming Soon)- “The US Macro portfolio seeks to generate returns by allocating across asset classes using macroeconomic variables such as interest rates, inflation and the US dollar. This portfolio focuses on the US equity and bond markets, along with commodities.”
- S&P 500 Risk-Controlled Portfolio – “The S&P 500 Risk-Controlled portfolio follows the S&P 500 Index, and adjusts the level of exposure upward or downward daily to maintain a stable level of volatility.”
If you read the description of each, they all sound very active. Even the S&P 500 Risk-Controlled Portfolio has a lot of activity – it “adjusts the level of exposure daily” – so it’s not just an index fund.
What are they doing behind the scenes? Their SEC forms give us a hint at what’s happening behind the scenes, and they use various investment vehicles to “adjust” the approach.
How Does Save Make Money?
Save doesn’t charge a set-up fee or any monthly maintenance fees, so you might wonder how do they make money?
They charge a 0.35% fee when you get returns on your investment (but it’s not a 0.35% fee on the gains, it’s 0.35% on the total).
If you don’t make enough to cover that fee, they don’t collect the fee.
They make money from you only if you make money.
How to Join Save
I joined Save around the end of July through a referral link and the sign-up process took only a few minutes. The first step involves giving them your phone number:
The first screen asked for my mobile number and birthday.
Once you verify your phone, you can proceed. I was surprised to see it pre-populated a lot of my information, including my social security number and address. It could be because they’re linked to my phone number on my credit report.
There were a few more questions, like my investing experience, employment, and income. For some of these questions, I was surprised to see that I couldn’t put “N/A” or otherwise not answered them. I don’t know why they need to know my income or net worth.
These questions were all used to set a term and portfolio, but you can edit those.
You can click edit and change it, but here are the variable APYs of the other options (as of July 27, 2023):
- Save Global Diversified Markets Moderate Portfolios – 8.96% APY
- Save Global Diversified Markets Conservative Portfolios – 8.70% APY
- Save ESG Portfolio – 8.70% APY
- Save Global Multi-Strategy Portfolio – 18.67%
- S&P 500 Risk-Controlled Portfolio – 7.74%
There was an interesting asterisk next to the Save Global Multi-Strategy Portfolio and it’s eye-popping 18.67% variable APY –
If the Save Risk Profile Scoring system did not select / suggest the Save Global Multi-Strategy Portfolio for you, DO NOT select it solely based on the current potential variable APY* presented.
This portfolio contains a “Long/Short” component, where the underlying assets are comprised of both long and short positions simultaneously. Although a “Long/Short” style portfolio component may provide greater returns by investing in multiple sources of risk and return; theoretically this also increases the probability of unknown outcomes associated with the variable APY*. Regardless of any outcome, your deposit is still FDIC insured and is not invested, encumbered, collateralized, or put at risk.
I went with the Save Global Multi-Strategy Portfolio anyway – it’s $1,000 and my principal is protected. I might as well go for a bit of a ride, right? (the current 12-month CD rate is 5.51% APY)
Here’s what’s inside:
The Currencies allocation is 100% UUP.
The Equity portion is 100% SPY.
Up until now, it’s all pretty standard stuff… until you get to US Sectors Relative Value:
This is where all the funky stuff is likely happening, with the negative values being short positions (maybe?). For example, XLV is a State Street Global Advisors fund that tracks the health care sector. With a negative percentage, I’d expect this to be a short position. Either way, this is probably where they allot their special sauce.
OK, back to the opening process.
On the next screen, Savings account agreements, are typical questions brokerages will ask like “do you or anyone in your household work for a securities exchange?” They were, however, written in the affirmative. As in you check the box if they applied to you… which is the opposite of what I think I’m used to.
Afterward, you’re asked to review all their documents and then link an account with your banking information. I was surprised they didn’t use Plaid but I suppose that keeps costs down just a little bit more.
Approval Took ~3 Business Days
I applied for an account on a Thursday (in late July 2023) and was approved on a Tuesday. It strikes me as a little bit long but that could be psychological as there was a weekend in between, but I was surprised it took that long.
When your account is approved, you get an email with the subject line “Transfer of Funds Initiated.” There’s no Welcome email, just a “Hey we’re transferring the cash now.” 😂
Either way, opening an account was a pretty smooth opening process.
I’ll update this post in the future with any new developments.
$5,000 Save Referral Program
One nice perk of having an account is that they have a referral program. When you refer someone to Save, both of you get an additional $5,000 of “bonus exposure.” The minimum investment is $1,000 for the 1-year term so with a referral, you get the equivalent of $5,000 invested.
After a year, you get your $1,000 back plus whatever you gained on the total of $6,000 invested after the 0.35% fee has been deducted. You don’t get the $5,000. 😂
If you’re interested, here is my referral link. We both get $5,000 of bonus exposure. You should see this at the top of the screen.
What’s The Catch?
If there is a catch, I’m not seeing any significant issues.
The main risk is that you don’t get any returns. When savings accounts are yielding over 5% APY and inflation is in the low single digits, not getting returns is a risk but not a catastrophic one. Your dollars are losing purchasing power but if that’s the biggest risk, I’m comfortable with it.
Another potential risk is that there isn’t much detail as to the structure of the investment portfolios. They could be generating returns of 15% but only passing 9% back to you. But when your principal is 100% safe in an FDIC-insured account and they’re still paying you above-market returns, is that unfair? I’m not so sure.
If you give it a try, let me know what you think!